My buddy eats Paleo right along with me. Innova was: Their biggest business is veterinary and agricultural supplies and equipment, but the selection of dog food in big sizes is impressive. If they do not, a slightly higher protein may be your answer. FortiFlora by Purina jumps to my mind and is easily accessible, though moderately expensive. My question is, is this food ok for young Dane pups? I dehydrate chicken breast for them for their treats. Sorry to bombard you with reading, but large breed nutrition is one of my favorite subjects and I like to make sure people have the facts. What do you suggest? Knowing we are all different, different people, different beliefs, different opinions, different levels of experience. I fed him an 18% protein food and he was walking in no time. I would never feed my dogs a food that low in protein. Read or post about Danes in need, adoptions & foster opportunities. They were not gaining and had soupy poo. He's been to the vet for stool samples every week and they all come back negative. Gotta run, a big muzzle is knocking on my elbow. It is treatable but for Great Dane puppies and other giant breeds this is a huge no no. The protein is 25% and the fat is 15% while Innova numbers are a little less (and closer to the recommended 22-24% protein and 12-14% fat) also with TOTW I see the calcium is 1.9% while Innova LBP is 0.9% (also closer to the recommendations for Dane pups) .I'm just trying to follow the recommendations as closely as I can, can anyone tell me if TOTW is ok for young dane pups. I kept the runt of a litter, had to tube feed him when he was born, about 5 months of age on a low protein diet he couldnt walk. I know you're no longer considering a Great Dane. Great Dane breed. He hasnt gotten table scraps in months, he's had all his boosters and never any thing found it stool. Here's a good example, try asking a training question that uses a correction technique on a board that promotes What do animals in the wild eat for dinner? http://www.bestfriendsvet.com/pdffiles/BoneDevArticleWa.pdf Our belief is as a community we can all learn from our combined. Thanks in advance. we have always fed them Royal Canine giant breed stages right now they are on the giant junior and will soon be transitioning over to adult food. Satiate your large dogs with human interaction and variety. This breeder feeds his dogs HIGH protein raw and his dogs dont experience many of the health problems typical to giant breed dogs and his dogs live much longer than most giant breeds (he had a dog live to be 17 the typical life span of a giant breed is about 8). The previous one was a sweet dog and lived to 12.5 years. They are a naturally lean dog so the low protein helps them with their weight, but if they have bowel issues, by all means try a higher protein diet. I abandoned my conventions on the focus of food brands and the idea of consistency. Friendly discussion focused on Great Danes and large breed dogs. His panting decreased and his eyes became focused and alert and his energy level increased. they are 1 and 1/2 years old now. Enjoy our real time chat rooms to meet and make new Dane friends. Then nothing crucial could happen! even tho i just switched my "old man" about a month or two ago i can see a diff in him. I dont always know his choice but I always to to keep things varied. I agree with HDM. Grass fed free range livestock has the balance of O-6s to O-3s that our paleo brethren grew up on and adapted to. The protein collects in the joints and cannot leave the body fast enough and causes infections. I just need to know I have made the right decision My kennel won't take him anymore because he just explodes when he gets there. Ive fed my adult Great Dane high protein foods since I got him 6 years ago. As a fellow large breed owner I can tell you that large breed dogs do not need low protein foods. Feeding Large Breed Puppies by Susan Winn DVM (Featured in IVC Journal), A common misconception found in many internet articles is the claim that dietary protein should be controlled in large breed puppies to prevent skeletal abnormalities. What links are you referring to and vets do inform Giant breed owners like danes NOT to feed any type of puppy food or high protein food. Its easy and cheaper than purchasing that garbage from China. I just paid 270 pesos for about a week's worth of food..staggering. Bina- I am feeding taste of the wild to my first litter of Dane pups right now. Then right back to having the runs. When I get ready to drive him to a nearby trail i always ask if he wants to go smell clover or do you want to drink some water from the stream, excitement and anticipation dripping from my words. and ranging in age from 9 months to 8 years and they all eat 45% 55% protein at every meal. You could also try more "natural" things like Slippery Elm and/or raw goats milk and/or bone broth (homemade), which are my personal go-to for upset tummies. Safety and Security for Tourists Visiting Oaxaca? Hope you stop by the board and browse some of the old posts. If a rapidly growing puppy has to eat more food to obtain enough calories for growth, a calcium overdose is possible., Most nutritionists recommend that large, fast growing puppies eat diets containing AT LEAST 30% protein and 9% fat (dry matter basis)., The Effect of Breed Size on Nutritional Considerations for Growing Puppies, Excessive intake of dietary protein has been suggested as a contributing factor to skeletal developmental problems, such as osteochondrosis, in large breed dogs. We love all dogs and actually own three other breeds :). You may find this of interest as well. My thought process is if your Dane does well on the low protein as an adult continue to feed him/her that. They DO have vocabulary you know. Their coats are beautiful. Certain communities seemed one sided leaning only towards the views of the board's administrators. Pay tribute to past companions on our "in memory" forum. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our. City at less than exorbitant prices? He's not a nervous boy or scared much either. Use our community calendar to post your special events. Hey guys, I have decided to feed Gus innova large breed puppy, out of all the foods this one seems to match the protein/fat percentage properly. Plenty of frsh water and hes up to eating 7 cups of food. Im pulling my hair out. Most commercial puppy foods contain more protein than is thought necessary, but studies have shown that protein contents of 23% to 31% (dry matter) do not have a deleterious effect on growth., Decades ago, we considered some adult diets appropriate for puppies. Any ideas would be great. Hi Sally- As someone who works in Great Dane rescue you will be interested in these links. I urge you to read the links posted at the beginning of this thread all written by veterinarians, veterinary nutritionists or studies published in peer reviewed clinical nutrition journals. Im sorry, but the above post is inaccurate. Click to Learn how to be Foster Rock Star. positive training methods. I suggest picking another 4 or 5 star food with at least 30% protein. Because the puppy must consume a larger portion of adult food to meet energy needs for growth, total calcium intake may actually be higher than with a properly formulated large-breed puppy formula., Here is the link to a study done on Great Dane pups that was featured in the Journal of Nutrition. I started supplementing with the three amino acids, and adding squirts of liquid B-complex. http://www.all-about-great-danes.com/feeding-great-danes.html. I believe you are correct, aquariangt. Both theories do seem to make sense, and with great danes known for a short life span anyways, I would not like to speed that up by buying the incorrect food for them I know they defiantly need only a small percentage of fat, like most dogs so that there frame can hold there weight but other than that, I have read 1 million different reviews about these subjects and I really cant decide which one to believe because as I said they both make sense. Adult Danes I believe can be more tolerant but it is documented, researched and validated in puppies under 10 months where growth plates have not closed. I always thought I had made good choices in their food and yesterdays appointment had them scoring perfectly on coat, growth, teeth, heart, etc. Now I need a quality replacement. He is 8 now and is in excellent condition. Sam's. And by puppy food, I meant not normal puppy food as it has a lot of energy boosting products in, great danes stomachs are prone to bloating etc which can lead to many problems, so they need a proper, good, trustworthy puppy food, they should rest for a while after eating so they do not bloat, therefor I wouldnt want to give them a puppy food that would send them hyper, other than that, theyre better off eating adult food. I have three bloodhoubds ranging in size from 68 lbs. The above post was not inaccurate based on the most current and accepted research available on the topic or large and giant breed growth as it relates to nutrition. Variety and fluctuation is normal in the wild, and in fact stimulating for an animal. Cute name! This topic has been closed to new posts due to inactivity. , hello every one I am a new member here and love that there is a discussion on large/giant breed food. Ive tried pumpkin chip seeds rice chicken broth, nothing seems to help him. http://www.susanwynn.com/Literature.php- Look at the Large Breed Puppy Nutrition link. How boring. Great Danes are giant breed, not large and this may seem like a small discrepancy, but not when it comes to feeding a great dane puppy. Mostly Protein, (often red Pacific wild salmonwe live in Alaska) mixed with quality rice or root vegetables drizzled in olive oil and baked, carrots and celery (his fav) for snacks. i am sold on totw. I don't think you can get it cheaper than there (Innes), and they're knowledgeable about different qualities, etc. On a 1 gram basis, fats contribute 9 calories and protein contributes 4 calories. The result is often negative or unhelpful comments, persuasion to rethink your training, some days he doesnt get the dry food at all. i use taste of the wild for both my dane pup and my 11 year old mixed breed. Members who are extremely knowledgeable about this destination and answer travellers questions frequently. Many many years ago it was believed that high levels of protein caused joint issues, its been known for quite some time now that this isnt true however there are still a few vets, breeders and pet owners that believe this myth. If so, I've got a stapler in my office and may have a go at it here at home! My understanding is that high protein has very little to do with weight gain in dogs-though some of the others that are more knowledgeable may be able to expand on that more. This is a FANTASTIC article (one of my favorites) on large breed nutrition written by Susan Lauten PhD I would HIGHLY recommend reading it in its entirety, however here are some of the highlights: Nutritional Risks to Large-Breed Dogs: From Weaning to the Geriatric Years, Currently, no evidence exists to suggest that high-protein intake contributes to the development of orthopedic disease in growing large-breed puppies. Both food have great ingredients aswell. I have been feeding my Dane foods with 30-38% protein for the last 6 years. They however do not support the claim that protein (of any level) effects growth in large or giants breeds. There's absolutely a ton of Great Dane information that's ripe for the picking. Protein is not the culprit. I just had them to the vet yesterday to get their rabies shots and heath exam in preparation for neutering. Introduce your kennel, puppies or upcoming litters. I've never heard of doing that to dogs, but I'd be truly floored and amazed if you found a vet in CH who would do that. Alvin Starkman - Casa Machaya Oaxaca Bed & Breakfast. he's lost most of his gas problems (thank goodness! Imagine the precociousness of a and he's lost an unpleasant coat odor he's had his whole life. When I got him back he was panting a lot and I assumed a heaet condition. Hes happy and and alert and active for his age. The study concluded: the differences in protein intake per se did not affect the occurrence of disturbed skeletal development in young Great Danes., Do You Know What to Feed Your Large Breed Dog? Thats what I was doing when I was feeding kibble. However, a calorie-calcium mismatch is probably common. It seems very nutritionally balanced and it won't break the bank, We've tried several and have settled with TOTW. Its not just that webpage. This theory was disproved some years ago (Nap, 1991). Almost as good as the raw. Dogs are meant to eat raw food. I do not have a great dane, however I am doing A LOT of research on these dogs as I am crazy about them, but refuse to have one until I know I can give it the proper care, diet and love it needs. Overall calories is the culprit and fats contribute more calories to a food than protein does. All dog breeds and dog breeders welcome, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I read that great danes need a protein less than 24% and a fat content of 12-14%..not sure how accurate this is for an adult great dane. my vet also owns a great dane so I feel lucky that my vet knows specifically about the breed and their potential heath problems. Does this procedure do anything to stop your dog from farting? This is where the fosters update info/tell stories about their foster Danes. Granted every dog is different, but I wouldnt rule out high protein foods unless your dog doesnt do well with them. [SIGPIC]http://www.dogforums.com/signaturepics/sigpic216410_1.gif[/SIGPIC], Come join a community dedicated to the discussion of grooming, food reviews, training tips, rescue groups, and dog pictures. Either you are buying at the corner store, or you own a flock of great danes. I am dying with the schedule I dont sleep and hes not either. Say the wrong thing, or ask the wrong question and they'd let you know it. I am a great dane owner myself, and it is paramount to feed the correct percentage to a great dane puppy or you will have huge health problems down the road, and perhaps very soon. I have 2 great dane males who are little mate brothers. Adult maintenance foods are often less calorically dense than puppy foods. As you know the brand has been recalled. Now to all of you arguing that protien does not help grow bones, I agree! I understand he has had stool samples taken and checked, but has the vet offered any other solutions/suggestions? There is no correlation between protein levels and developmental orthopedic disease this was actually proved in a study done on Great Danes that was published in the Journal of Nutrition. Additionally, these diets may have calcium and phosphorus levels that are higher in relation to energy density than a large breed puppy diet. Theres a lot of inaccurate information floating around about proper nutrition for large and giant breed puppies so its crucial to do your research and rely only on reputable sources. I have a 3 year old male and 15 month old female and a 2 month old female. http://portais.ufg.br/up/66/o/Racas_grandes.pdf encouraged. My buddy loves clover. If you are a resident of another country or region, please select the appropriate version of Tripadvisor for your country or region in the drop-down menu. It sure was and what we did was set up a categorized forum.. A discussion board in which all opinions were welcome and And Ive read that raw meats are really good for great danes, raw meat is probably high in protien? Look under the Diet and Health Issues forum and read the links in the Large and Giant Breed Puppy Nutrition thread. Its been known for quite a while now that it is excessive calories and calcium- not protein- that cause disease like HOD, OCD, hip dysplasia etc. I also have an FDA video which explains the dog food contamination with melamine that is killing our dogs. Just like many of you, I had joined a few of the "then popular" dog discussion boards over the span of a few years. Higher protein foods tend to have more fat as well so they are naturally more calorie dense. My own dog had HOD as a result of this, we have a dog that has gone Septic because of HOD being untreated, it is not anything to mess with. I personally would not feed a food with only 18% protein. more. I would ask your vet directly for what steps they suggest to end the loose stool. Not a very nice atmosphere considering I know a bit about Danes. Around 5 month he got his first round of the runs, so we stopped and he just got his dog food. About a month ago he had gotten into bird seed ( duck food) he ended up eating about a pound of it had the runs for a week and then they went away. Protein-25% Open discussion on anything related to the breed. There is, however, a lot of research proving the protein is not harmful. actual Great Dane owners & enthusiasts! Its also not true that they should not eat puppy food as puppies, they need to eat a puppy food with controlled calcium levels appropriate for large breed growth. But the most IMPORTANT thing one can do is treat your large breed friends as if they were your own grade school aged children. fat-14% Hi, as I have said I do not own a great dane, and will not until I know the ins and outs of care and diets for them, I am going on what I have read up on, no breeder websites that I have found up to now, explain any diets. The owner of our sire requested I try Holistic select for this litter, and it was horrid! Post messages here about the rest of the world. Its also better to rotate brands it provides your dog with variety and in case of a recall youll have other brands you know you can use. Im not sure but if it is, that doesnt make sense. Yeah i'm still tossing between Innova and TOTW - but like you, I keep seeing more and more dane owners swearing by it, and I too can get it locally at a very competitive price! thank you. he even seems to have more energy. Ask a Dane specific question or visit our cafe. Just because they dont show it in reciprocal speech doesnt mean they wouldnt love to hear you talk to them about your activities. I wanted to add that my sister's husband has always had a Great Dane. I write about it on my website and explain the salmonella scare and what is going on with china and their contaminated vitamins that are added to our dog food. Also, I know you should never feed a Dane puppy food, but I've read that Innova LBP is the one exception, some even say it was made with Danes in mind. plan to maintain a pay-it-forward, friendly, Dane like environment for our site visitors, (you), to congregate Its what ever gets them to the next meal! They are doing amazing on it! This is the version of our website addressed to speakers of English in India. While there were definitely some great communities online, some of the sites were kind of rude with a sense of entitlement. Somebody is wanting something lol. That is way too low in my opinion, especially for an adult dog. Post your organization's announcements and bulletins. He has been on Innova Large Breed Adult dry food. Here Dr. Becker interviews a Newfie breeder (not Great Danes I know however Newfies are generally considered to be a giant breed). Previous studies suggesting a risk for high protein and DOD were confounded by higher energy intake in high-protein foods. Please check out essentiallydogs.com. I will share one thing I have found out about these dogs and there diet. Get outside with them. Discussion about Feeding and Medicating your Dane. Share experience and love for our breed with those new to Danes. Rodney! Hi there im new to this page I happened to stumble upon it around 3am after countless nights of no sleep due to my great dane puppy (6 months old) has had the runs for about 3 weeks now! the blanked out word is brother I dont know why that happened.. My current Dane is 10.5 years old and looks and acts like hell be around for a few more. Just after I started the supplemts I decided to feed him raw. I have read so many things about the typical diet for great danes that they need a diet that is under 24% protien, however I have also came across things, such as this argument, explaining otherwise. Need help on finding 3 month furnished rental, Oaxaca Dia de los Muertos for Monday Oct 31 - Friday Nov 4, Vegan / Vegan Friendly restaurants Oaxaca City, Best way to travel from Oaxaca to Pochutla, Oaxaca city, 2 week visit summer 2012 for family of 4, Places that allow dogs in Oaxaca city and Huatulco, Holiday Inn Express Oaxaca-Centro Historico, an IHG Hotel. These diverse forums included general breed information, health, nutrition, feedback, photos, tribute, even It looks pretty promising and I can purchase locally which is a huge benefit!!! ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-36574085', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');Casa Machaya Oaxaca Bed & Breakfast, Thank you! Hes always been on the same food since he was a baby. it cost me $86.00 every 6 days to feed the boys a bag of dry food plus $9.00 in toppers. Tips and Discussion on Training your Dane, Great Dane Rescue Frequently Asked Questions, DaneFest, Fosters Night Out, Meet and Greets and other events, Discussions about raising money and keeping GDRNT operating. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. X-ray showed a slightly enlarged heart. I think Ill maybe just stick to the 24% dog food and chop up some raw meat too! Youll get more out of your companions than any top brand food can make a difference. You can type raw, salmonella, or FDA into the search bar. Copyright 2022 Dog Food Advisor All Rights Reserved, Viewing 23 posts - 1 through 23 (of 23 total), Feeding Large Breed Puppies by Susan Winn DVM, http://portais.ufg.br/up/66/o/Racas_grandes.pdf, http://www.bestfriendsvet.com/pdffiles/BoneDevArticleWa.pdf, Earthborn holistic venture smoked wild boar & butternut squash grain free, Best Allergic Dog Foods Grain Free Issues and Heart Disease, dr beckers dog and cat food recipe help from her book, Trying to sign up for email recall alerts, This reply was modified 9 years, 1 month ago by, This reply was modified 8 years, 2 months ago by, This reply was modified 6 years, 6 months ago by. So either your right and the entire great dane community and vets who specialize in great danes are wrong or well you are. While the low protein diet reduced growth, no detrimental effects from the higher protein diets were observed.. Like probiotics or supplements? To clarify my own dog is a rescue puppy who came to us with HOD and Ive successfully treated it but he will be on a 24% or less protein diet the rest of his life to avoid a flare. Label things when you are on walks. I more or less know everything other than the diets because there are so many different theories about it, but like I said I think as long as theyre getting protien, calcium etc, a healthy diet! Today we are trying the 24 hr no feed process to see if that helps. In general, large-breed puppy diets are formulated to contain approximately 30% protein (DMB) similar to other puppy foods., feeding adult foods to large-breed puppies before 1 year of age is not recommended because the calcium-to-energy ratio is generally lower in adult foods compared with large-breed puppy food. This hypothesis was tested by feeding Great Dane puppies either 15%, 23% or 32% dietary protein (13%, 21% or 29% of energy). Lots of vets dont stay up with current research when it pertains to such a small group of animals. They were on raw, but, with our schedules make it hard to prepare the meals. Personally, I think it's great food for puppies. Our friendly Great Dane online community of over 5000-members and 90-thousand posts is available to every all about Great Danes.com visitor, friend & guest. Alvin Starkman - (ta && ta.queueForLoad ? An alternative, perhaps the best, is Dr. Innes either in Abastos or on the road beside the river in Col. Libertad, between Abastos & El Tecnolgico. However it does help grow muscle, and to a dog with such a huge frame that is likely to develop bone probolems already, I dont think that a dog of that state would need extra weight put onto there bones until they are a little older, so out of everything Ive heard, just to be on the safe side, when I do get my great dane, I will feed it food with 24% or less of protien, and never feed it puppy food. I think he's on #4. ta.queueForLoad : function(f, g){document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', f);})(function(){ta.trackEventOnPage('postLinkInline', 'impression', 'postLinks-36588789', '');}, 'log_autolink_impression');car, tomorrow morning get in a cab and go to Dr. Innes along the side of the river. By Karen Becker DVM, Studies have repeatedly concluded dietary protein levels have no effect on the development of skeletal problems in large and giant breed dogs. lol!) He had bloat. Dinner always taste different, what a pleasure for an animal whose sense of is also a form of communication! I did some research and discovered dry food is lacking in Taurine, L-Carnitine and Acytel L-Carnitine, among other critical amino acids and nutritional components. I bought grass fed buffalo and he got 1/4 to 1/3 pound, give or take, twice a day. and enjoy open minded Dane discussion was a major success. The higher protein causes their bones to grow more rapidly, and any Giant pet owner knows they grow fast. I can only get it one place here, but, they keep a great stock for us. Feeding an adult food can actually result in greater intake of calcium than feeding puppy foods. , Haha, its helpful to be honest, thank you. Post unwanted pet and non pet items at our "flea market". I cant take being up every night with him anymore every 2 hrs from 11pm - 8am. Search over 90-thousand informative posts. Create a custom profile similar to My Space. Here's that link again if you'd like to check it out. Ozzie!! So, been reviewing my food options and I came across a few recommendations for Taste of the Wild. The link below maps out exactly how you should feed a great dane. breed newbie, or someone new to discussion boards. Many, many many dane owners are using TOTW with great results.me included. Ever since then he has the runs for a bout a week then two days of solid stool. Get your leg out of that dog's mouth! You must be logged in to reply to this topic. We feed our danes TOTW Pacific Stream. Get answers to your questions about Oaxaca. Dogs gain energy off protein, better than they do off carbs, so a diabetic dog for example would want a high protein, low fat, low carb diet. even blatant flaming. If you adopted a Dane from GDRNT, let us know how it's going. Here you can browse an incredible information resource provided by life experience of They love the food. Protein excess is not the problem. Raw, BARF, Bloat, etc. (not all high protein is cheap mind you just in this case that typically is the cause like Old Roy). Unfortunately the link you posted contains a lot of inaccurate information that has is not backed by research namely implying that protein affects growth and that large/giant breed puppies should not eat a food designated for growth or all life stages. Meet Dane neighbors in our "regional" directories. Misinformation tends to spread faster and farther than factual information. Id recomend not using any grain fed meat for the reason it is sometimes 10x higher in the inflammatory Omega-6s which is why we humans should avoid grain fed beef like the plague as well. Upload your funny Dane pictures to share. Our I've actually visited forums where it seemed the core group of members felt entitled to the Theres no reason a Great Dane cant eat a high protein food and, in fact, they should. to 110 lbs. It is true that puppy Danes who have high protein diets are prone to HOD (Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy) a painful swelling of the joints during development, it is an infection brought on in most cases by high protein diets. My sister recognized this and put something down his throat to his stomach - might have been a hose- and saved his life. Post your Dane photos and view thousands of member pics. Play with them outside like your own child. Even on a low protein diet this can still happen, and happened to me. forgot to mention that a second X-ray several months later showed a perfectly normal sized heart and surprisingly good health for his age. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Ciao. But I notice everyone likes this Taste Of The Wild dog food. I am a long time Dane owner, currently have 3, 2-6yr olds and a 9 month old puppy. But still today, many breeders of large dogs, owners and even some veterinarians will tell you protein is the problem, even though there is no evidence to prove it. Youre really looking for lower fat when it comes to that, yes? Here's the link to visit our Great Dane Online forum archive of information. I swear ill get one, its my biggest ever life goal, I love them to bits, just as I said previously, I wouldnt want to be harming him/her by feeding food that isnt good for them! Hope this helps! Theres a lot of information about this on the large breed puppy thread. In fact, its often a dietary protein deficiency that contributes to skeletal problems.. On every website I have came across it has advised me to feed a great dane food that has protien 24% or less and never feed them puppy food even when they are pups as it can cause bone problems. I mix table scraps with dry food. I switched them to TOTW which is what I feed my girls, and they are doing amazing!! Who cares? Ill get to the bottom of it haha. Great Danes absolutely need to start out their lives on a low protein diet, puppy food and higher than 24% protein can be disabling and painful.
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